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	<title>Comments on: The Popular Capitalist View &#8211; Carl Peter Klapper</title>
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		<title>By: kgino</title>
		<link>http://johnsonvillepress.com/2009/03/23/the-popular-capitalist-view-carl-peter-klapper-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3842</link>
		<dc:creator>kgino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the partisan question resembles the sports fan question. Forbid thought, lest a Bosox fan say anything favorable about a Yankee player, a Republican about a Democratic President, or the respective vice-versa.&quot;

well said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the partisan question resembles the sports fan question. Forbid thought, lest a Bosox fan say anything favorable about a Yankee player, a Republican about a Democratic President, or the respective vice-versa.&#8221;</p>
<p>well said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Peter Klapper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Peter Klapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already have another set of elections in the election of a President, the primary elections.  As I have proposed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001577.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a letter to The Washington Post&lt;/a&gt; two years ago, replacing these primaries with elections of &quot;nominators&quot; which determine the slate of candidates for a popular general election would allow the people to have a greater say in the nomination process than they currently have and bring into consideration candidates outside the two-party system or machine.  By denying state support or auspices for primaries in general, we will eliminate state expense in conducting off-year elections as well as the expense for the non-Presidential candidates.

As for the collective impact argument, parties do not enhance the underlying consensus and thus produce candidates that have more party than popular support even within the party ranks.  The impact is instead based on two processes: the reduction of the candidate field and institutional control of the election mechanism for established and dominant parties.  The first often does not produce better candidates or even consensus ones, as evidenced by the occasional sprouting of third party and independent candidates after a contested primary.  The second, through party lines, separate requirements for independent and party candidates, funding mechanisms which favor high cost campaigns and &quot;public&quot; debates which exclude independent voices, lessens the impact of the people and enhances that of the political parties.  There is thus no benefit to individuals to organize into political parties.  Common concern is better expressed in support of advocacy groups.  Individuals can join or leave any number of these without feeling themselves misrepresented.

The advocacy groups, book sales and lyceum-like organizations, by the way, provide the sort of open education that is needed to produce an informed populace.  Education dictated by a political system, on the other hand, not only smacks of propaganda and indoctrination, it is both of these.

Donating public money to the politicians does not impress on them any loyalty to the public interest.  It does not for the simple reason that public money is received through a system controlled by the political parties.  Yet doing so individually puts the poor at a disadvantage.  Politicians will then cater to the portion of the populace with the disposable wealth needed to afford the maximum individual contribution.  I dispute your contention that politicians work for those who pay for them because I consider it as bribery.  Politicians work for all of the populace and are hired by those who voted for them.  Plain and simple.

The key here is to eliminate campaign expense.  This can be done by a renewal of a sense of civic duty in running for office, serving faithfully and then returning to private life.  The opportunity costs of running for office and missing work and income as a consequence can be handled for such offices as require them by book sales, paid columns and platform speaking honorariums.

One further note, it is not necessary for a candidate to know everyone in their district, but for a majority of the people in their district to know them as regards the issues and likely issues during the coming term.  For a candidate in the Nominator College (should this be established) would be added knowledge of their ability to know potential Presidential candidates with respect to these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already have another set of elections in the election of a President, the primary elections.  As I have proposed in <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001577.html" rel="nofollow">a letter to The Washington Post</a> two years ago, replacing these primaries with elections of &#8220;nominators&#8221; which determine the slate of candidates for a popular general election would allow the people to have a greater say in the nomination process than they currently have and bring into consideration candidates outside the two-party system or machine.  By denying state support or auspices for primaries in general, we will eliminate state expense in conducting off-year elections as well as the expense for the non-Presidential candidates.</p>
<p>As for the collective impact argument, parties do not enhance the underlying consensus and thus produce candidates that have more party than popular support even within the party ranks.  The impact is instead based on two processes: the reduction of the candidate field and institutional control of the election mechanism for established and dominant parties.  The first often does not produce better candidates or even consensus ones, as evidenced by the occasional sprouting of third party and independent candidates after a contested primary.  The second, through party lines, separate requirements for independent and party candidates, funding mechanisms which favor high cost campaigns and &#8220;public&#8221; debates which exclude independent voices, lessens the impact of the people and enhances that of the political parties.  There is thus no benefit to individuals to organize into political parties.  Common concern is better expressed in support of advocacy groups.  Individuals can join or leave any number of these without feeling themselves misrepresented.</p>
<p>The advocacy groups, book sales and lyceum-like organizations, by the way, provide the sort of open education that is needed to produce an informed populace.  Education dictated by a political system, on the other hand, not only smacks of propaganda and indoctrination, it is both of these.</p>
<p>Donating public money to the politicians does not impress on them any loyalty to the public interest.  It does not for the simple reason that public money is received through a system controlled by the political parties.  Yet doing so individually puts the poor at a disadvantage.  Politicians will then cater to the portion of the populace with the disposable wealth needed to afford the maximum individual contribution.  I dispute your contention that politicians work for those who pay for them because I consider it as bribery.  Politicians work for all of the populace and are hired by those who voted for them.  Plain and simple.</p>
<p>The key here is to eliminate campaign expense.  This can be done by a renewal of a sense of civic duty in running for office, serving faithfully and then returning to private life.  The opportunity costs of running for office and missing work and income as a consequence can be handled for such offices as require them by book sales, paid columns and platform speaking honorariums.</p>
<p>One further note, it is not necessary for a candidate to know everyone in their district, but for a majority of the people in their district to know them as regards the issues and likely issues during the coming term.  For a candidate in the Nominator College (should this be established) would be added knowledge of their ability to know potential Presidential candidates with respect to these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I see how having another set of elections to elect members of the Electoral College is going to change anything.  People will still organize into groups of like-minded individuals to maximize their impact - aka parties.  If we are to have the same number of Electoral Votes, each electoral college election would be akin in scope to a campaign for the House of Reps.  I don&#039;t think its quite possible anymore to have an individual know everyone in a U.S. Congressional District - even in the most densely populated area where simple geography is not a problem.  
The two key components of getting the government to work for the people are straight-forward: education and donate money to politicians.  
Education will give people the ability to understand what is happening around them rather than be told what is going on.  Critical thinking and reaching one&#039;s own conclusions are invaluable skills.  Donating money to politicians will let them know that it is us whom they should support.  Given the vast numbers of this country, it would not take massive donations to attract the attention of politicians.  Politicians work for those who vote for them and pay them.  The people need to assert their influence over politicians rather than bemoaning the fact that the politicians is human and thus imperfect.  Let us take their fallibility and humanity into account and adjust our plans accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I see how having another set of elections to elect members of the Electoral College is going to change anything.  People will still organize into groups of like-minded individuals to maximize their impact &#8211; aka parties.  If we are to have the same number of Electoral Votes, each electoral college election would be akin in scope to a campaign for the House of Reps.  I don&#8217;t think its quite possible anymore to have an individual know everyone in a U.S. Congressional District &#8211; even in the most densely populated area where simple geography is not a problem.<br />
The two key components of getting the government to work for the people are straight-forward: education and donate money to politicians.<br />
Education will give people the ability to understand what is happening around them rather than be told what is going on.  Critical thinking and reaching one&#8217;s own conclusions are invaluable skills.  Donating money to politicians will let them know that it is us whom they should support.  Given the vast numbers of this country, it would not take massive donations to attract the attention of politicians.  Politicians work for those who vote for them and pay them.  The people need to assert their influence over politicians rather than bemoaning the fact that the politicians is human and thus imperfect.  Let us take their fallibility and humanity into account and adjust our plans accordingly.</p>
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